QCon London 2008: Steve Vinoski on Serendipity and REST
These are my unedited notes from Steve Vinoski's talk at QCon London 2008.
- Steve talks about Serendipity -- I never knew about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Three_Princes_of_Serendip
- How did a CORBA guy get involved with REST? At IONA, Steve was the IT Engineering department
- Built lots of tools, integration w/ Wikis, IRC, ...
- Tried to convince IONA to change course towards those things
- Failed and switched companies as a result
- Has no agenda, does not want to sell anything -- now involved with other stuff
- "The definition of a legacy application is 'one that works'" -- QoTD!
- Descendants of RPC: CORBA, EJB, .NET, SCA, SOAP, WSDL
- Message Queueing and EAI as alternatives
- Problems with MQ: Generally proprietary, except for JMS and AMQP
- 18 months ago, Steve was working on Qpid (Apache AMQP implementation)
- EAI products typically centralized hubs, proprietary and expensive, costly
- Some ESBs fall into this category (mostly re-labeled EAI products)
- Problems with RPC Approaches
- Focus on language first
- tries to fit the distributed system to the language, not vice versa
- making distributed calls appear local
- expose language-specific objects directly as language-independent services
- Code generation (whether from WSDL or from code) creates deceptively significant consumer-service coupling
- Java-to-IDL mapping created horrendously complex IDLs, translated very poorly for other languages
- Type system illusions -- no type safety across the wire, type specialization is costly for scalability and reuse
- Interfaces are protocols -- specific interfaces mean specific protocols
- Data specialization: XML is better than IDL or native language types (because of reduced dependency via XPath)
- Unless you generate code from it, which makes the benefits disappear
- Integration problem summary: proprietary approaches too expensive, standard approaches focus on implementation languages, not distributed systems issues, new interfaces -> new application protocols (something he never notics ), ad hoc data formats coupled to interfaces -- all of this inhibit reuse
- Detour: Unix Reuse
- A tool like
awk
, written ages ago, can still be combined into brand new tools via a pipe - Unix uniform interface: file-like object
- stdin/stdout/stderr
- standard ways to get data from/to applications
- A question to consider -- was the pipe invented on day 1? Or discovered later -- serendipity?
- Refresher on HTTP's uniform interface
- Explains idempotency of GET, PUT, DELETE; lack of idempotency of POST
- XML-RPC and SOAP/HTTP use just one -- and it's the worth
- Uniform interface enables visibility into interactions
- enabling caching, monitoring, mediation ...
- strong implementation hiding
- simplified overall architecture
- Original name of REST: "HTTP Object Model"
- Most of the stuff Steve's done in the past -- building ORBs and such -- dealt with the effects of having a specific interface (generating code, creating the runtime infrastructure). Most of this stuff disappears in REST
- with distributed objects, there's usually a lower layer that's generic, with generated code on top
- no generated code necessary
curl
more useful than a browser- Server-side dispatching becomes easier
- Explanation of susconstraints (resource identification, representation exchange, self-describing messages, HATEOAS)
- Representation format not resource-specific
- Many different formats -- even XML if one's sad and desperate
- Media types registered with IANA
- Makes datatypes an orthogonal concern
- Recommendation: Beautiful Soup library for Python if you ever need to do screen scraping
- Hypermedia constraint -- resources provide URIs that guide the client
- RPC systems conflate methods and data, while REST separates methods and data formats
- In REST, fixed set of methods, many standardized data formats
- Question: Why would REST separate data and methods better than other approaches?
- Answer: REST encourages this, other approaches encourage the opposite
- Things like caching are generically possible
- Praise for the REST dissertation - "the clearest architecture document he's read"
- Enhancing reuse possibilities - separate libraries and tools helping with data and methods
- Libraries for interception and mediation, caching
- Example: bug tracking system with HTML, XML, XCS, JSON data
- Even while working for a company that built RPC tools, he was using lightweight, Web approaches to do internal stuff
- Independence -- each of the resources in the example system could be added independently without disturbing existing resources and formats
- Plant the seeds to see what grows
- Summary: RPC-oriented systems try to extend language paradigms over the wire -- encourages variation (in methods, datatypes), which can't scale
- REST is purpose-built for distributed systems, properly separates concerns and allows constrained variability only where required
- "Roy Fielding: Engineer for Serendipity" -- which, according to Steve, is possible
- Question: Are data grids instances of REST because they have a uniform interface?
- Answer: only possible by looking at all constraints, not just the uniform interface -- maybe, unknown: idempotency, restricted variation in data formats
- Comment by Joe Armstrong: How about adding data immutability -- outlaw PUT and POST, instead add APPEND
- Answer (both Steve and I): POST really is APPEND; you could just outlaw PUT
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